Thursday, August 15, 2019

A Drop of Spite

Y'all know how I feel about Pathfinder.


to all the sputtering bros who are mad online because Pathfinder 2E dedicates some page count to being inclusive-

Stay mad, assholes. Stay mad.


  1. Replies
    1. Yeah, it just dropped at GenCon. It doesn't look like PF2 is going to win over someone who didn't like PF1, mechanics-wise.

    2. First, full disclosure: got free copies of the Core Rulebook and Bestiary so I can write about them for a chain of FLGSs in Texas. Second, yeah, if you were not a fan of PF1, you'll probably not be a fan of PF2. That said, there are some cool ideas in there, like having a spell transform depending on how many actions you use to cast it.

    3. Haha, no need for disclaimers on my blog, TS.

      I have read about a neat tidbit or two, but at the end of the day, PF is gonna PF. Not my cup of tea, personally.

  2. Alternate take:

    Players of all varieties are already inclusive. Nobody I have ever heard of has excluded someone based on demographics. Never. Therefore it’s insulting to be lectured to on the issue.

    But whatever, it’s a corporate product and these are easy woke points.

    1. People near and dear to me have experienced gatekeeping and toxic behavior, Scott. Just because it's not a problem for you doesn't mean it's not a problem for others.

      ...and if you (and apparently everyone you've ever heard of) are inclusive, good for you. No need to feel insulted by something that's clearly not directed at you.

    2. That's interesting, I mean it. Can you reach out to one or more of those people so we can get in touch with their consent? I'm Interested to hear those stories.

      On a separate note, is it really Paizo's place to tell its customers how to behave?

    3. Let me ask one or two of them about it.

      Also, in regards to telling customers to behave, I think it's kind of a unique situation. Pathfinder has a pretty large organized play community, so Paizo probably needs that community to be as welcoming as possible.

      I think that's why you see this in 5E , too, since those are the two games that have big organized play components to them.

      I like to think that it isn't just for the "woke points" and that the hobby is really just trying to be inclusive. (I'm usually cynical about anything corporations do... this is my tiny bright spot)

  3. Seems like you and many others want to exclude uninclusive people so it kinda makes all of you hypocrites.

    1. Nah, I'm not excluding them, I'm just amused that they're so mad over Paizo telling people to play nice.

      Congrats on posting the single dumbest reply anyone has ever left on my blog, though